Ellen's last five days inspired a wonderful conversation about music, creativity, family, spirituality, white boards, SM 58s, death, what 10 days of meditating in silence is like, writing, FOMO, and so much more. I LOVED this conversation! Check it out and enjoy. (Ellen's cat also made an appearance.) Check out: http://www.ellenmcsweeney.net/http://ellenmcsweeney.bandcamp.com/releases@ellen_mcsweeney on twitterhttps://www.facebook.com/ellenmcsweeneywww.dougperkins.com@dougperkins on twitterhttps://www.facebook.com/perkinsdf