Dr. Mike Ferguson joins Jeff to talk about his passion to help small church pastors with burnout, depression, and loneliness. Dr. Mike pastored for 20 years, burned out, recovered, and then became a psychologist to help pastors and churches! This episode rocks and gives hope at the same time! And yes, Jonny is highly insulted and put out for not being in on the call with Mike…

Episode 107 - A Third Alternative To "Grow It Or Close It"

Jeff and Jonny are pastors who want to encourage pastors of “smaller” churches.  All most pastors see online are the churches that have grown into the thousands in just a few years, the ones that spread out around the city through multiple services and multiple campuses. The ministry leaders with the most influence are the mega church pastors with mega ministries, staffs, and dollars. Praise God for what He is doing in these large and influential churches! We benefit from their vision and influence.Jeff and Jonny know that there are hundreds of thousands, that have 200 or less in attendance.  The work of these pastors and ministries can get lost in the shuffle, and they want to encourage, equip, support, inspire, and cheer on the pastors of 200churches – those churches with around 200 people, give or take a hundred or two! When they talk with guests like N.T. Wright, Scot McKnight, Dan Reiland, Carey Nieuwhof and so many more, they always turn the conversation to small church pastoral ministry.With humor, passion, conviction, and care Jeff and Jonny share methods and inspiration for the small church pastor. If you are a lay, bi-vocational, or solo pastor, the 200churches Podcast is for YOU!