Jane Abernethy is Chief of Sustainability at Humanscale and Gabe Wing is Director of Sustainability at Herman Miller, two iconic office furniture brands known for design innovation. Both organizations have gone against the current and put competition aside to collaborate as partners in NextWave Plastics, an initiative convened by Lonely Whale. NextWave member companies commit to keeping plastics in the economy and out of the ocean by incorporating recycled ocean-bound plastics into their product supply chains. In this episode, 52 Hertz host Petrice Jones talks to them about design as a tool for combating environmental problems, the difference between good and bad materials, and the virtues of radical collaboration.