Ben is a very good friend of mine. We both met through Jiu-Jitsu and ended up sharing a lot of the same interests, particularly Jungian psychology. He and I share the same spirit animal: the gibbon. Clay Pot: http://www.claypotnyc.com/ Intro song: https://soundcloud.com/danielburbank/sorry-i-like-you Outro song: Dreams by Joakim Karud https://soundcloud.com/joakimkarud