Lisa Birnbach invites James Beard award winning Chef, Kwame Onwuachi, to discuss the future of Eating out, during and after the Covid-19 pandemic. They also discuss what it means to be a black man, and a chef, in America - in these days of national reckoning and the Black Lives Matter movement, his book "Notes from a Young Black Chef" and to top it all off, they talk about the 5 things that make their lives better.

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