<p>Judd and Nicole are joined by Michelle Gavin (Council on Foreign Relations) to discuss partnership and humility in U.S. policy toward South Africa, recommending personal relationships between the two nations and imagining a dinner party with South African luminaries</p>

Namibia with Shinovene Immanuel

What is the past, present, and future of U.S. policy towards sub-Saharan Africa? Judd Devermont, Director of the Africa Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), and Nicole Wilett, Chief of Staff at the Open Society Foundations, sit down with diplomats, journalists, civil society activists, and academics to discuss policy recommendations for the Biden Administration. In 15 minutes or less, these episodes deliver the goods on U.S. relations with African countries, as well as share the best of African music, food, dance, film, and travel.