Listen in as Travis is joined by Chris and Toby, part of the team behind Beyond Binary Thinking - a podcast where they try to discuss a path through the simplistic and tribalistic binary of whatever debates they find worth having. Join them as they share international perspectives on contemporary US presidential politics and discuss how the American "left" isn't really left of center at all.

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