We speak to Gillian Burke – biologist, writer, and presenter of BBC2's Springwatch and its seasonal spinoffs – about the importance of language in the Climate Crisis, the power of singing, and local solutions to global issues.

For this episode, Alina Burwitz asked Gillian about the qualitative dimensions of a relationship with nature, how we can balance hope with despair, and the importance of access to clean, green and nourishing spaces.

This podcast is part of '400 Parts Per Million', an ecological arts project by Theatre in the Rough, supported by Arts Council England and the PH Holt Foundation.

Find out more at http://400.earth