In this episode, we come to you with a live recording from the cf.Objective(ANZ) + Flex conference, joined by the always information Adobe Evangelist Terry Ryan. Not only was this the first time that Kai and Mark were in the same country to record a podcast (not to mention the same room), it was their first time in front of a live audience (we swear it's not a laugh track). We talk with Terry about the recent news regarding Flex being donated to the Apache foundation, and what that means for Flex and Flash as a whole.  We also pick his brains on the next version of ColdFusion codenamed Zeus, and see if we can get him to reveal anything extra about the release. As expected, there is a lot of back and forth with the audience, and plenty of entertaining comments, including Mark stating that "nobody reads twitter", and Terry mentioning that "Linux users don't appreciate aesthetics" - all in good fun, of course :) Unfortunately the sound quality is not the best, as we are not that experienced with live recording, however, we hope you enjoy the content and the crazy antics.