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Nick and Gabriel are joined by Hermann and Marius for their longest ever podcast where they discuss the thesis that asks if Zuma could have been a great president had some things been different.

It was the best of riots it was the worst of riots

Nicholas Lorimer and Gabriel Crouse provide their unique take on everything and anything going on in South Africa and the world at large, with a focus on history, philosophy and current affairs. 

Getting away with murder in South Africa, Russian oligarchs, American elections and geopolitical strategy all feature in this unconventional podcast.