Darren Halbig is, at his core, an artist. He’s a designer by trade, and a massively creative individual. When he stepped into a leadership role at Element Three, he reached a boiling point—he had to give up design in order to prioritize leading his 25-person team.

So..was it worth it?

In this candid conversation, Joe and Reid connect the dots between Darren’s parents fostering 70 to 100 children and Darren fostering growth in his colleagues. Finally, they contrast Darren and Tiffany Sauder’s perspectives on growth, from our previous episode, and follow a new lede for our next conversation..